tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post974880063971203367..comments2024-02-28T10:15:50.335+02:00Comments on Lotus Evangelist: Destroying Domino in an organization without even tryingKeith Brookshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11107190540208956954noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-77878328516609527642008-02-22T03:33:00.000+02:002008-02-22T03:33:00.000+02:00Gavin,Taking people into account presumes that tho...Gavin,<BR/>Taking people into account presumes that those people will be honest with the auditor. Sometimes it takes a few months of working with a client before you understand where their head is really at regarding their future technical directions. By that time the audit is done and dusted...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-13011784398698823092008-02-16T09:42:00.000+02:002008-02-16T09:42:00.000+02:00That size of environment doesn't justify such a pr...That size of environment doesn't justify such a price tag.. - not by far! Maybe you mixed up our service, with the required software, maintenance fees, consulting services, etc of our competitor? ;-)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, let's continue talk offline:<BR/>denis.wittebrood@trust-factory.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978408970393850504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-36696444293248839492008-02-15T18:59:00.000+02:002008-02-15T18:59:00.000+02:00At the time, 2007, for 10,000 users that was what ...At the time, 2007, for 10,000 users that was what I was quoted in rough terms. Possibly pricing changed since back then.<BR/><BR/>But as I said it is very impressive and definitely provides an excellent return and do hope more people use it, it is mind blowing the data you provide and the reporting tools included.Keith Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11107190540208956954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-52540627212117860402008-02-15T18:35:00.000+02:002008-02-15T18:35:00.000+02:00I contacted you via e-mail.For the record: The pri...I contacted you via e-mail.<BR/>For the record: The pricing for our service is fixed, based on a per user calculation. (So small shops - which are likely to be less complex - pay a small price)<BR/><BR/>If at the time a price of a 100K was quoted, it must have been a big Notes shop, and I'm sure the benefits of a full scale Health Check would show a return on investment within a few months: Calculated and Proven afterwards!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978408970393850504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-49999852067655328202008-02-15T16:48:00.000+02:002008-02-15T16:48:00.000+02:00Denis, Forgot to mention I met your team the last ...Denis, Forgot to mention I met your team the last 2 years at Lotusphere and was extremely impressed with your audit/checkup program.<BR/>Although it is VERY expensive even to my client, when I discussed pricing it I was told it would be $100,000.<BR/><BR/>But if someone reading this is in a large organization they should definitely check out your solution.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise, we are available at considerably cheaper levels :-)<BR/><BR/>but you can email me to discuss this further at lotus.evangelist@yahoo.comKeith Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11107190540208956954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-65596256898388874912008-02-15T16:44:00.000+02:002008-02-15T16:44:00.000+02:00Denis,Thanks for the thoughts. How I wish it was t...Denis,<BR/>Thanks for the thoughts. How I wish it was the other way around, and it is in rare occasions, and I am pursuing this theory with 2 clients albeit in a very slow process.<BR/>No question doing the Health Audits is important, but wording it all and pointing to the highlights is a better decision than those that say "this is bad, this doesn't work" and yes, I have read docs like this.<BR/>I try to balance the problems with saying configuration optimization, like a tune up in a car is all that is needed in the end.<BR/>Of course anything can be used in a manipulative fashion so it is imperative to be careful out there. <BR/>And for the record the client in question is a multinational and a linux/unix/windows multi server environment.Keith Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11107190540208956954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-45391126599338850212008-02-15T16:14:00.000+02:002008-02-15T16:14:00.000+02:00Hi Keith,I work for a company that provides such H...Hi Keith,<BR/><BR/>I work for a company that provides such Health Checks for a living (not so much for the shop around the corner, but for the larger multinationals). I believe the same game is being played there. Some internal forces want to improve what they have, others want to take the information to make their case to move away.<BR/><BR/>In our scenarios IBM is often involved as well (hiring our services), allowing them to safeguard the Lotus interests. The result of our Health Check, is an opportunity to have a better performing environment at a lower cost -> A happy Notes customer. However, sometimes internal politics do take the upper hand.. <BR/><BR/>Based on IBM's announcements at events like Lotusphere, I can only assume that it happens vice versa as well, and shops that run on other environments choose to switch in favour of Notes. Let's hope it balances out, in the bigger picture of things ;-)<BR/><BR/>Kind regards,<BR/>Denis Wittebrood - Trust FactoryAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978408970393850504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-51160047917248333852008-02-14T17:43:00.000+02:002008-02-14T17:43:00.000+02:00Gavin,I do include information ont he people, with...Gavin,<BR/>I do include information ont he people, with a ratio and percentage to understand their server to admin or users to admin perspective.<BR/>There is a software and hardware set of testing plus Q&A with the relevant people(admins, developers, management).<BR/><BR/>Hadn't thought about doing it as a pdf and locking it down, I usually do this in Word and lock it.<BR/>Thanks for the tip.Keith Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11107190540208956954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-61876349440237717662008-02-14T08:52:00.000+02:002008-02-14T08:52:00.000+02:00I'd have thought that a "full" audit of the domino...I'd have thought that a "full" audit of the domino systems would take the people systems into account.<BR/><BR/>I believe that Auditors shouldn't just confine themselves to a tech audit - they need to ask questions too.<BR/><BR/>Also: As part of the response - In a PDF so that it can't be edited, you should comment on the inherent security of Domino while taking into consideration whether or not best practices have been employed within the company itself.Gavin Bollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833941398375568706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-90350905690550805832008-02-14T03:11:00.000+02:002008-02-14T03:11:00.000+02:00Sadly I was afraid I would get at least 1 comment ...Sadly I was afraid I would get at least 1 comment like this.<BR/>If you wish to discuss ways to handle this offline, or the possible routes you can take, please let me know.<BR/>email me at lotus.evangelist@yahoo.comKeith Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11107190540208956954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8994561579739999989.post-87259353863224946052008-02-14T02:15:00.000+02:002008-02-14T02:15:00.000+02:00I can tell you that this exact scenario is in play...I can tell you that this exact scenario is in play right now in my organization. After a few fairly minor e-mail problems the Senior VP has called for a full external audit of the Notes infrastructure. He makes no secret that he wants to get rid of Notes at the first opportunity. Do you think he is trying to fix the existing infrastructure, or justify the new one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com